Yeesh.

I hate it when I have to write a post like this. I really do. I hate it more, however, when someone writes repeated posts and comments all over the place just to vilify me. Especially when they’re digging up something that is 6 1/2 months old. Sigh.

To: Anyone who read this bit of one-sided whinery and gives a fuck.

Here’s the full story. It’s quite old, isn’t it? And it’s a bit longer, because it covers the entire story from the beginning, not just the parts that Mark wants the newer people hereabouts to know. I also included the comments, so that it can be seen that there was agreement and disagreement with my actions.

Oh, and the address was posted for less than a day. It was only posted ONCE. That bit about posting it again for spite is an outright lie. Associate with Mark long enough, and you’ll hear a lot of those.

And no, I’m not sorry. People who make up shit about other people and engage in constant name-calling have no right to expect those same people to  watch their backs. I offered to delete the address, and I was called a fucking dope, among other things,  for my consideration. Words and actions have consequences, and should be used carefully.  “Freedom of speech” goes both ways, after all. It’s a shame Mark is too self-centered to learn this little lesson in life. Several others have sent me addresses, and have nothing to worry about, and they KNOW that. Mark didn’t have anything to worry about until he used my offer to NOT post his address as another excuse to be abusive. Enough eventually becomes enough.

Oh, and Mark’s card WAS posted publicly, with his phone number. Right here, with his permission, before he alienated the person who had been his “bestest blogfriend.” O’Tim was able to use that number, at my house, and call up Mark’s address on the White Pages within minutes. This is truly a strawman. The fact is, Mark can’t stand the fact that people like me and can’t leave that alone. He also hates the fact that just last week, Cheezy and I made a “deja vu” joke about his posting two almost identical comments back-to back. He went apeshit and posted a cowardly post about it on his blog – cowardly because he was complaining about being attacked in a veiled maner, when in truth he wasn’t actually facing his “attackers” the way he felt his “attackers” should be facing him. When it was pointed out that he wasn’t being attacked at all, and was actually making a public jackass out of himself, he became quite angry and removed the evidence. After all, he wouldn’t want his loyal readers to know that 1) he misinterpreted the entire thing because he once again couldn’t just ASK what people mean in their comments and 2) that instead of facing people the way he SAYS they should face him, he just runs on home to complain to his “peeps” without letting the people he’s complaining about know. If his readers saw that, they might just put two and two together.

As far as “facing” the people you disagree with like a man goes, this is the second post in one week that he’s written ABOUT me that I wouldn’t have known about if someone hadn’t pointed it out to me. So who, exactly, is taking veiled swipes at who? How many posts have my regular readers seen me make about Mark in the last 6 months? That’s right…. this is the first.

This is why you’re losing friends lately, Mark. Your hypocrisy is overt, obvious, and quite simply amazing. And most people just don’t like chronic liars. Even ones they can laugh at.

Mark is, evidently, still searching for that high road. Someone send him a map, eh?

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27 Comments

  1. I thought Mark wanted to be done with all this shit? He swore at Gekko’s he’d never refer to me again, but here he is dredging up crap with my name in it – and bolded! What a nutcase.

  2. You know, in a way I feel insulted by the fact that I – also one of his very public targets of posts, threats, and slander – haven’t made a resurgence in his swipes and jabs.

    Or have I? I don’t know, not stopping by his place for quite a while to check. At least no one has told me about anything involving me going on over there.

    Why not? Surely I’m as annoying and irritating as you, Joe. And maybe even a bigger A-hole. I mean, I can be quite the dick if I want (and often when I don’t).

    Have I really mellowed with age? Damn. I guess its time I turned in my jalapenos and beer for tapioca and warm milk. The pipes, the pipes are calling …

    Ook ook

  3. The only person I’ve ever delinked out of annoyance — and I’ve done it twice. So though my eyes glaze over at sight of these long documents, I grasp the gist and am at peace with my own private verdict. It’s sad, though, that turmoil still boils in someone, such that the dredging must continue. I wish for peace in his heart, not an unquenchable anger.

  4. I’m with Don – I hope he comes through this OK but for me, I don’t think I shall be chatting with him much anymore. For one thing, he’s summarily deleted the last few comments I’ve posted at his place! At first I thought it must have been a technical glitch, so I posted another one, and… nope!… he’s definitely deleting them!

    I think I must have annoyed him when we discussed gun control – and issue that other people around here didn’t necessarily agree with me about, but no one else got upset and emotional about it…

    As for this latest episode, I can only assume that, by blanking people like me, he’s running out of people he disagrees with… and needs to dredge up bitching sessions from the past in order to relive the ‘good old days’ (not with the actual people in attendance though – that would be too stressful!).

  5. OMG, another blogwar! All right, I got my gloves on, I got my dukes up, who wants to try and take me? Huh? Huh? Buncha chickenshits, all of youse.

    Oh, and lest anyone should forget what a REAL blogwar sounds like, they should get their little hinies over here. See, I know how it’s done.

  6. The martini idea has merit! Grey Goose, one olive.

  7. misinterpreted the entire thing because he once again couldn’t just ASK what people mean in their comments

    Speaking of which, I didn’t hear back from you about that bug in my ass. 😉

  8. Gek, I told you I didn’t deserve the tone, and left it at that. What else did you expect me to say? Note that I didn’t come back here and make a fuss about it, or do so anywhere else for that matter.

    You say there was no ill will, and I didn’t argue with you about it. Was I supposed to? I know that things can be misinterpreted sometimes. On the other hand, sometimes something in “real life” can be bugging you, and it affects the tone of a comment, or how you react to someone. That may not even be noticed until someone points it out to you. If that’s the case, it may be worth the mention, but not the “kerfuffle” you offered to share with me.

    Are you suggesting that these two events somehow mirror each other? I’d have to argue that, simply by virtue of the frequecy and severity of the Eternal Nemesis’ reactions compared to mine.

  9. I was thinking maybe it was a june bug myself. You know how they sort of go fucking crazy and whirl about on the ground and make all that noise.

    Now imagine if that was in your butt.

  10. Posting someone’s home address is fucking disgusting. Period. I don’t care how you justify it. You’re a piece of shit in my book and no remission, no rehabilitation. Cunt.

  11. I don’t care about your book, and I don’t need your approval, and I think you express yourself like a 10 year old dropout. I guess the fact that Mark had allowed people to find him via his phone number means nothing to you. Then again, I’ve seen your political argument, and you obviously draw your conclusions before hearing any facts. So go fuck yourself, you aren’t needed around here.

  12. Gek, I told you I didn’t deserve the tone, and left it at that.

    No you didn’t. You threw an insult in my face and got high-handed with it.

    What else did you expect me to say?

    How about you address the argument I offered without getting all emotional and starting off with ad hom?

    Note that I didn’t come back here and make a fuss about it, or do so anywhere else for that matter.

    That’s nice. Want a cookie? <– tone

    You say there was no ill will, and I didn’t argue with you about it. Was I supposed to?

    I expected some response, Joe.

    I know that things can be misinterpreted sometimes. On the other hand, sometimes something in “real life” can be bugging you, and it affects the tone of a comment, or how you react to someone. That may not even be noticed until someone points it out to you.

    True, and the very essence of a comment I’d made in various discussions on blogwars in general.

    If that’s the case, it may be worth the mention, but not the “kerfuffle” you offered to share with me.

    Did you read what I said? I said you could discuss the issue, or you could blow it up into a kerfuffle, and I was fine with either. The choice was up to you — no offer on my part.

    Are you suggesting that these two events somehow mirror each other?

    No. I am simply miffed that you’d shake your fist at me and then slink off into the night.

    <snip>

    I won’t enter into your arguments with Mark, Joe. I’m talkin’ about me and you. You misinterpreted my “tone” and shot snot at me. You didn’t ask me what I meant. So you’re a fine one to talk, eh.

  13. Gekko-

    Here is the complete comment that you object to:

    “First of all, I don’t know who put the bug up your ass but I do not believe it was me. Wouldn’t know it from your tone, though.

    Second, it has been proven over and over that kids who read willingly and frequently do better in all subjects at all levels. That’s why there is a consistent push to endorse reading. A book does NOT need to be a textbook to be educational, it needs to have vocabulary at or above the reader’s level, the occasional complex sentence structure, and be engrossing to the reader. It doesn’t need to be a plotless dissertation on science or math to be educational, it simply needs to stimulate. Dr. Seuss is educational at a particular level, but not once the reader has developed suffient vocabulary and mastery of sentence structure. Then it is no longer educational, but something a little more sophisticated, like the old Encyclopedia Brown books, would be. And once the reader passes that level, HP would probably be very educational.

    To a small child just learning the alphabet or how to sound a word out, a cereal box could be very educational. What a great opportunity for a parent who is already spending breakfast time with a child to turn that time into a reading lesson! But the box and the HP books would be educational to kids at different levels, and that is what makes your argument a gross over-simplification.

    I think the education angle is the wrong tack to take anyway. People aren’t objecting to HP books because they they aren’t educational, they object because they see these books as a one-way ticket to a lake of eternal fire. Is this a public school we’re discussing here? If so, there are no grounds for removing or denying books on purely religious grounds. I would think that it would be the responsibility of the objectors to prove that the books in someway promote behavior that would be objectionable to secular society. Say, if HP and his pals were going around stealing or hurting people in some way. Perhaps if there were objectionable language, but that in itself has been an uphill climb for people who want to ban “Catcher in the Rye” and “Huckleberry Finn”.

    If it’s either too difficult or too obvious to defend the merits of the book, make them PROVE that no one should be allowed to read it at school beyond a reasonable doubt, and make it certain that not every family in the district is of the same beliefs as the objectors.”

    ————————————————————————————————————————–

    Yes, In that first sentence, I said you have a bug up your ass, because it seemed that you had a bug up your ass. Everyone does sometime. That is “hurling an insult?” And you say I’M the one who is being emotional?

    What did I do after that? I DISCUSSED YOUR LITTLE HARRY POTTER ISSUE. Oh, but no, I couldn’t have, because you just SAID I didn’t. But, it sure looks like I did.

    Then, I gave you some space. I have looked in, but you haven’t posted anything since that I wanted to comment on. Just as you don’t seem to have any comments for MY more recent posts.

    So I said what I thought, I chose NOT to make an issue of it, and here you are being snotty and trying to make something out of it. Well, if you want to be hypersensative about one comment, go ahead, but don’t make it out as if I was hurling insults and trying to start something. That’s a cheap ploy that hasn’t worked well for Mark, either. Mainly because the proof is right above. People tell me that names like “fuckwit”, “liar”, “hypocrite”, “asshole”, “welcher” and the like are no big deal, just “blogtalk”, and if you can’t handle it, then you shouldn’t be blogging. Well, I’d say “bug up the ass” is a lot lighter than that.

    As far as my “hypocrisy” goes, I don’t think that anyone with a dram of honesty would compare the two situations. Did I make a fuss and storm out? No. Did I make a post about how badly you treated me? No. Did I encourage others to do so? No. Did I tell any lies about you? No. Did I dredge up any six-month old arguments? No. Did I unblogroll you? No. Did I e-mail any bloggers and bitch at them for blogrolling you? No. Did I go on to talk about this AT ALL? No. Until you started carping, it wasn’t much of a big deal for me. It was a momentary thing, you said that no tone was intended, so I dropped it. Why won’t you?

    You’re making a mountain out of a molehill. Maybe you must, but if you must, I’d rather you did it elsewhere. If you said to me what I said to you, I’d have most likely just said “No, sorry it came off that way”. I’ve done that before. I don’t assume that my writing is always so clear that any misunderstanding is the fault of the reader, or some scheme to start a fight. I would not have seen it as a high-handed insult, that is certain. Like I said, I’ve endured much worse. If you want an argument, stop pretending you don’t and go find you one. You obviously do, judging from your response to my comment above. That comment was anything BUT antagonistic, but I got sarcasm and accusations back. So stop playing the victim, admit that you want a fight, and go find someone who wants to fight with you.

  14. BTW, those last two sentences sure sound like you’re entering into my argument with Mark. Yep, sure do.

  15. Yes, In that first sentence, I said you have a bug up your ass, because it seemed that you had a bug up your ass. Everyone does sometime. That is “hurling an insult?” And you say I’M the one who is being emotional?

    Um, yes. That is an insult, and don’t try to weasel into the old “oh, but I didn’t mean it in a confrontational way, why, everyone gets one a them, so what’s yer problem little girl” routine, Joe. Be honest here. You got uptight over something, lashed out at me with ad hom, and meant to lash out.

    What did I do after that? I DISCUSSED YOUR LITTLE HARRY POTTER ISSUE.

    Tsk. Do you always lose your temper?

    You didn’t so much as “discuss my little Harry Potter issue,” whatever that’s supposed to mean, as you snooted about how a book is supposed to be educational.

    Eventually you had calmed yourself down sufficiently to basically agree with exactly what I had said in the first place, the thing I had said that apparently set you off.

    Me (paraphrase): “people should not use the ‘besides it’s educational’ argument because it’s too weak when talking about a fun read.”

    You (paraphrase): Reading IS educational!

    Me (parahprase): yes, and so is riding a bicycle and playing Barbies. Life is educational. Interaction with other people is educational.

    You (paraphrase): bug up yer ass babe, snoot snoot snoot and besides, “I think the education angle is the wrong tack to take anyway.”

    After calling you thin-skinned and told you it wasn’t an attack, I responded thus:
    You can divorce your feelings from it and we’ll do fine, or you can get all hot and bothered by disagreement and we’ll do kerfuffle. I’m fine with either.

    The rest of your comment is something I pretty much agree with. I just dislike stretching or misappropriating terms as the foundation of an argument when there are other, more valid arguments that do not provide fodder for the anti-whatevers to latch onto it.

    Trying to pit Rowland’s fun fantasies against text books ain’t gonna do the trick so it’s vapid for the pro-Potter teams to use that.

    Oh, but no, I couldn’t have, because you just SAID I didn’t. But, it sure looks like I did.

    I expected response to my reply. Did you see where I said I expected a response? That would be to the comment I’ve quoted just up there. An acknowledgement. You asked what I expected, and I told you what I expected. Did you not mean to ask what I expected of you?

    Do you want to show me where I told you you did not continue my “little Harry Potter” issue, and how that relates to my wondering if you misunderstand, react without asking questions, and end up looking rather hot-headed and asshole-ish?

    As far as my “hypocrisy” goes, I don’t think that anyone with a dram of honesty would compare the two situations.

    YOu’re the only one doing that, Joe. Let me try again: You said “misinterpreted the entire thing because he once again couldn’t just ASK what people mean in their comments”

    I called *that* comment out and noted that you had mistinterpreted an entire thing and couldn’t just ASK what I meant in my comment.

    I wondered if you wanted to discuss the bug that is in my ass. Now you’re fretting.

    Is that clear? I have nothing to say about Mark, who apparently consumes you. I am not comparing you to Mark. I am comparing you to you. You apparently cannot ask people what they mean. You prefer to react and insult.

    Believe it or not, that’s actually very normal. Meaning it’s what most people do (hence “normal”).

    Now, don’t you feel silly making something that everyone does rather regularly into a standard, into something to smack someone else with, especially given that you yourself do it?

    Prolly not, but it amused the fuck outta me to see you standing on that pedestal there without having scraped the poo off your shooze first.

    You’re making a mountain out of a molehill.

    <kof>

    If you said to me what I said to you, I’d have most likely just said “No, sorry it came off that way”.

    That’s nice. Luckily, I am me, not you. And when someone accuses me of having a bug up my ass, I consider it an insult. See, a way to say the same thing without it being insulting is to say something along the lines of “Sorry, but you sound a bit too confrontational for me. Perhaps it’s just me — did you mean to sound that way?”

    I would not have seen it as a high-handed insult, that is certain.

    Um, no, I said you slung an insult, THEN got all high-handed. The bug-ass thing wasn’t a “high handed insult.” Sorry, perhaps I should have put more words between the two concepts to keep them more separated.

    some scheme to start a fight.
    Not sure where you’re getting these notions from, Joe.

    Like I said, I’ve endured much worse. If you want an argument, stop pretending you don’t and go find you one

    I don’t care if I find one or not — they happen. Obviously. I mean, without me even looking, here we are.

    Personally, I think my first little comment in this post to you was funny as all hell. Guess you really are thin skinned.

    [me looking for argument] judging from your response to my comment above. That comment was anything BUT antagonistic,

    In order: You were inaccurate concerning the content of your reply on my blog. Then you asked a question which I answered honestly and forthrightly, then you tried to make my one-line, rather funny response all about Mark, and I got sarcastic with that all right because it SO wasn’t about Mark, but about *you* and you alone, and then you lied and said I had offered to share a kerfuffle with you. You are continuing in that lie, and yet, oddly, all I did was post one humorous line that poked you about your insult to me and lo, there you are, making the kerfuffle.

    You used some interesting terms, there. Hypersensitive, carping, yadda. I’ll remind the viewing audience that this “hypersensitive” “carping” I indulged in consisted of this:

    Speaking of which, I didn’t hear back from you about that bug in my ass. 😉

    The rest consisted of a response to your outrage. See how that works?

    but I got sarcasm and accusations back. So stop playing the victim,

    <kof> again.

    admit that you want a fight, and go find someone who wants to fight with you.

    Um.

    BTW, those last two sentences sure sound like you’re entering into my argument with Mark. Yep, sure do.

    What, these two sentences?

    You didn’t ask me what I meant. So you’re a fine one to talk, eh.

    No. They’re about you. How on earth do you imagine I am talking about Mark?

    This is out of order from the rest of the response, but I just saw it and thought I’d comment:
    I don’t assume that my writing is always so clear that any misunderstanding is the fault of the reader,

    No one does. That’s why we, uh, _ask_ when it’s not clear. Isn’t that what this is all about, here? Asking, when you’re not sure?

    Asking _usually_ takes the form of a polite question, rather than an insult, but, hey, if insults float your boat, then go catch fish, baby!

    😉

  16. I’m not even bothering to read this whole thing, because the first half is so full of suppositions and outright bullshit. Writing something in caps to accent that sentence when you don’t know the code to make italics is not the same as losing your temper.

    It’s obvious that you’re taking something very very small and trying very hard to make a fight out of it. I already told you, I’m not playing. Period. You insist that what I said was an insult, I think it was just a statement about how I took your tone, and it didn’t need to go further. It isn’t as if I were asking for an apology, and it isn’t as if I was going on about it. Just because you expect an answer to a comment does not mean that anyone is obligated to give you one, either. Joe out.

  17. t’s obvious that you’re taking something very very small and trying very hard to make a fight out of it.

    Joe. I poked at you in a playful manner about something very very small. You blew up. That’s all there is to it.

    You asked, in apparent emotion, what I “expected” and I answered your question forthrightly. But the point is that the FIRST thing was a playful poke at you and your keen desire to take a normal human tendency and make it seem like YOU were above it and that only some other poor mook is ever guilty of it, right after you’d just done the very same thing. It was funny to me. I put a winky after my comment, but all you saw was some … god knows how you managed to twist it into what you twisted it into.

    Then you got off on this weird jag about me wanting to pick a fight and twisted a statement I had made into that.

    I never said you were obliged to do diddly. I haven’t said half the shit you’ve been accusing me of. It’s nice that you can see what you want to see in the plain English that’s in front of you, but perhaps if you read -all- of the words and took your anger and emotion out of it, you’d see what they really say.

    And, yes. You are going on about it, man. You escalated this from a joke. I have simply responded to your words.

  18. For the record: I don’t go looking for fights. I don’t have to. People get upset over the stupidest things. And when people get hot and bothered by something, then indulge in ad hom, insults, misinterpretations, misrepresentations, and lies, I poke back about as hard as it comes to me. I won’t back down.

    As I said, you can take a step back from your emotions and handle things in a mature, calm, rational fashion, or you can do kerfuffle. You chose kerfuffle. Whither goeth the discussion, so goeth I.

    If you don’t like this sort of thing — and it appears you do not — then I suggest you take my advice and take a step back from things before responding, in the future. You’ll be happier.

  19. ” I have simply responded to your words.”

    Gekko, every single word I’ve written on this topic except for the sentence that started it all has been in response to you. I just wanted to make a point and be done with it, but you won’t allow it. How can you tell me that I’m pursuing an argument when you had to come here and raise the topic yourself? I’ve been very civil. However, I’m getting sick of reading how emotional I’m being, when I’ve been very, very calm.

    “You blew up. That’s all there is to it.”

    You’ve evidently never seen me blow up, because nothing above here, with the possible exception of my response to Dr. Zen, even comes close. You’re obviously reading my comments with an imagined “shouting voice”. If you like, I can post this and ask my regular readers who know me if they think I’m “blowing up.” I don’t like to post about this type of crap, but perhaps you need to hear other opinions from people who are a bit more aware of my style.

    “You chose kerfuffle.”

    Look who’s lying now. All I’ve done above is try to get you off my back. It seems like you’re trying to bait me into an explosion, and it isn’t going to work. You obviously haven’t gotten to know me very well, because the people who do know me know that this isn’t my “kerfuffle voice”. I’m being civil as hell about this.

    I’ll be happier if you do what I’ve been asking, and drop it like I’ve been trying to. You’re seeing a lot of emotion where the only emotion I’m feeling is exasperation that this won’t end. I also notice that you didn’t ask for clarification about that emotion, you simply attributed it to me, so I guess you’ll have to take yourself off of any and all pedestals, or at least stop preaching,as well.

    BTW, Gekko, I never said that I was above anything. However, I’m also not the one who sees attacks everywhere, who thinks that people who disagree are doing so because of purely personal reasons, who accuses those people of race-based hatred, who writes endless blog posts about people being mean, and who tries to get others to change their blogrolls. I have not established a pattern of abuse and paranioia that’s gotten me removed from a dozen or so blogrolls. I haven’t lost any “bestest blogfriends.” I made a post in response to several posts written about me that weren’t at all factual, and I posted actual events, not just the stuff that makes me look good. If that were my tactic, I wouldn’t have Dr. Zen calling me a piece of shit above. I was honest about both sides of that argument. Again, if you think that a comparison is appropriate (and you do keep mentioning it despite your claim that this isn’t about that), then you simply don’t know me very well.

    Are we done now, or would you like to tell me anything else about my “outrage”?

  20. ” I have simply responded to your words.”

    Gekko, every single word I’ve written on this topic except for the sentence that started it all has been in response to you.

    Yes. So?

    I just wanted to make a point and be done with it, but you won’t allow it.

    ‘scuse me? I won’t “allow” it? You can’t just, um, quit? You’re compelled by me in some fashion to respond to me?

    How can you tell me that I’m pursuing an argument when you had to come here and raise the topic yourself?

    Because you took my little poke at you and got defensive with it, and have responded to each and every response of mine. Joe, I teased you. You got defensive. You indulged in inaccurate statements, and you asked me questions. I corrected your inaccuracies and answered your questions, and then you replied to what I had said, again, with more inaccuracies, and started digging in to my presumed emotional state. That would be, well, arguing.

    I’ve been very civil. However, I’m getting sick of reading how emotional I’m being, when I’ve been very, very calm.

    I’m sorry, but when did civil come to mean complete lack of emotion? First of all, you’re responding, defensively and aggressively to each of my comments.

    Let’s visit just some of the emotion-laden phrases, okay? The first being the thin-skinned reactionary comment you left on my blog — which I didn’t think was all that bad, mind. I’ve certainly weathered worse. It was from left field and took me by surprise, but whatever. I thought it was really cute to tap you on the shoulder and remind you of it when you mounted your high horse in your Sheesh poastie, though, just cuz you ain’t that pure. But I digress. Here’s a list:

    “bug up your ass” (pure emotional, ad hominem attack)
    “What else did you expect me to say?” (Incredulousness, defensiveness, some scorn)
    “the ‘kerfuffle’ you offered to share with me.” (a blatantly inaccurate statement — usually such blind inaccuracies result only when someone who is otherwise intelligent is too emotional to actually read the words and interpret what they say, rather than what he wishes them to say)
    “complete comment that you object to” (more inaccuracy — note I did not “object” to anything)
    “What did I do after that? I DISCUSSED YOUR LITTLE HARRY POTTER ISSUE. Oh, but no, I couldn’t have, because you just SAID I didn’t. But, it sure looks like I did.” (extraordinary sarcasm, including all caps, which are standard Internet ways to signify getting louder or making emphasis — emphasis is an emotional tactic. Also, more inaccuracy because I never said you didn’t discuss the “little” (emotional reactionary attempt to diminish) Harry Potter issue. And, finally, the somewhat childish “but it sure looks like I did” response to your strawman)
    “here you are being snotty and trying to make something out of it.” (Pure self-defensive comment, complete with more ad hom and insult)

    What follows is a diveregence off into fantasyland, which also indicates a highly emotional state.

    “Well, if you want to be hypersensative about one comment, go ahead, but don’t make it out as if I was hurling insults and trying to start something. That’s a cheap ploy that hasn’t worked well for Mark, either. Mainly because the proof is right above. People tell me that names like “fuckwit”, “liar”, “hypocrite”, “asshole”, “welcher” and the like are no big deal, just “blogtalk”, and if you can’t handle it, then you shouldn’t be blogging. Well, I’d say “bug up the ass” is a lot lighter than that.”

    A. A one-liner with a smilie on the end isn’t normally considered “hypersensative” (sic), but you saw it as such. I’ve found that people seeing “hypersensitivity” are usually projecting their own voice onto the words they’re reading. A smidgen of hyperbole: I said “you threw an insult in my face” and you morphed that into “hurling insults”, plural.

    B. You then go on to start doing what you imagined I was presumably doing (thus proving the projection). You compare me directly to Mark, whom you seem to consider an arch nemesis for some bizarre reason. I’d ordinarily take that particular nickname you’ve awarded him as humor, but since you seem so hung up on him in your responses to me, I’m starting to wonder. You see “Mark” in everything I’ve written.

    C. I have no idea what you meant by “proof” of whatever “above” and your divergence into the philosophy of name-calling. But a lightweight insult is still an insult. My use of the term “insult” was accurate. That is what it was. That’s what you intended.

    D. You’ve begun to imagine that I was objecting to you saying I had a bug up my ass, or that you somehow hurt me with it. Dude. I teased you about your thin-skinned insult and somewhat emotional, high-handed sermon which you delivered after making an erroneous assumption. You did not ask me what I meant, but simply ran off at the mouth. Then you got on that ol’ tall pony about that very thing when someone *else* does it.

    The next paragraph you wrote, beginning with

    “As far as my ‘hypocrisy’ goes, I don’t think that anyone with a dram of honesty would compare the two situations. and ending with “so I dropped it. Why won’t you?” … pure emotion in all of that. The wild-ass assumptions about what I could possibly have meant, my state of mind, all blowing up out of me teasing you for your hypocritical position.

    No one needed to compare the two situations. Just as calling someone a “fuckwit” and saying someone “has a bug up their ass” are both insults of varying degree, so being a hypocrite can cover a spectrum of situations. If you take someone to task for doing something, yet do the same thing, that is hypocritical. You don’t have to like it, but it’s a truth.

    “You blew up. That’s all there is to it.”

    You’ve evidently never seen me blow up, because nothing above here, with the possible exception of my response to Dr. Zen, even comes close.

    Sweetie, I don’t care if you beat your wife when you blow up. It’s all relative, right? You took my argument on my blog the wrong way and tossed out an ad hom then a sermon that ended with you agreeing with the very thing you lashed out at me for. You took a light tease about your hypocritical position and have been whirling away with more self-defense than a prize fighter. Honey, that is SO blow up.

    You’re obviously reading my comments with an imagined “shouting voice”.

    Um, no. Does the only emotion you are aware of involve shouting?

    If you like, I can post this and ask my regular readers who know me if they think I’m “blowing up.” I don’t like to post about this type of crap, but perhaps you need to hear other opinions from people who are a bit more aware of my style.

    Does this really meant that much to you?

    “You chose kerfuffle.”

    Look who’s lying now.

    Tsk.

    All I’ve done above is try to get you off my back. It seems like you’re trying to bait me into an explosion, and it isn’t going to work. You obviously haven’t gotten to know me very well, because the people who do know me know that this isn’t my “kerfuffle voice”. I’m being civil as hell about this.

    See what I mean about emotion? You’re displaying some kind of weird paranoia.

    I poked you. You got defensive about it. I responded to you. You got defensive and started making crap up. I responded to you. You got more defensive and continue to make more and more crap up.

    Sweetie, you chose to respond. I haven’t made you respond. I teased you once and everything else is a response to your mischaracterizations, your fantasies regarding my thoughts, etc.

    I’ll be happier if you do what I’ve been asking, and drop it like I’ve been trying to.

    Why would I want to drop it? Why would I do what you “ask” me to do, when you continue to go off into these fabrications and misrepresentations of what I’ve said?

    You’re seeing a lot of emotion where the only emotion I’m feeling is exasperation that this won’t end. I also notice that you didn’t ask for clarification about that emotion, you simply attributed it to me, so I guess you’ll have to take yourself off of any and all pedestals, or at least stop preaching,as well.

    Are you saying exasperation and defensiveness are not emotions? Are you assuming, again, that you “know” what emotion I mean? Or, as I asked before, is the only emotion of which you are aware anger?

    BTW, Gekko, I never said that I was above anything.

    When you mock and deride someone for exhibiting a behavior, you put yourself above that person.

    However, I’m also not the one who sees attacks everywhere, who thinks that people who disagree are doing so because of purely personal reasons, who accuses those people of race-based hatred, who writes endless blog posts about people being mean, and who tries to get others to change their blogrolls. I have not established a pattern of abuse and paranioia that’s gotten me removed from a dozen or so blogrolls. I haven’t lost any “bestest blogfriends.” I made a post in response to several posts written about me that weren’t at all factual, and I posted actual events, not just the stuff that makes me look good. If that were my tactic, I wouldn’t have Dr. Zen calling me a piece of shit above. I was honest about both sides of that argument. Again, if you think that a comparison is appropriate (and you do keep mentioning it despite your claim that this isn’t about that), then you simply don’t know me very well.

    Are we done now, or would you like to tell me anything else about my “outrage”?

    Looks like you can’t get that Mark thing outta your system. You see Mark in my little poke at you, you see Mark when I accuse you of seeing an attack where none existed, you see Mark in everything I write.

    Yeah, that’s rather a mark (sorry) of outrage. All that hyperbole and that dance into la-la land with Mark this, and Mark that. You let him get under your skin. Not that there’s anything wrong with going to his blog all the time to see what else you can mock him for, but you let him get to you, and you see him everywhere in this conversation.

    But then, maybe I indulged in a little more teasing hyperbole myownself. Like I said, I don’t go looking for kerfuffle. But if people want to deal it to me, I am more than happy to indulge them. I get entertainment either way.

    ‘k, I’ll have mercy on you, since you seem so fretful. Here’s the klew. If you don’t want someone to respond to you, stop responding to them. Especially stop mischaracterizing and misstating their words. My words are right there, on the screen. YOu can read them for yourself. They are not what you’ve said they were. You restating them to mean something different is a form of lying, although I’m certain you did not intend to lie — you merely let your emotion cloud what you read, and you “heard” something that wasn’t there. Just as you did when you responded to my argument to you and to Jenna about how stating reading is educational (it is, no one argued that) is not a very strong argument because the same argument can be made with equal validity for most any childhood endeavor. You saw something that wasn’t htere, let it cloud you, and you responded with the insult and the sermon.

    The more you respond and mischaracterize, the more I’ll come back and clear up your irrational and erroneous words. I’ll feed back exactly what I get.

    You want it to end? Then end it.

    The choice has always been yours.

  21. “Not that there’s anything wrong with going to his blog all the time to see what else you can mock him for”

    Where did THAT come from, Gekko? This is the first post about Mark in 6 months, in response to a post where he dredged up a very old argument and told only his half of the story. The truth is, Gekk, that you came here and started this in a post about Mark, and you began by quoting a passage about Mark, and have compared my behavior to his in every reply. How can you say that I’M the one bringing Mark into this? Mark knows, since he hovers over that sitemeter, that I don’t go there every day. I go there when one of my friends alerts me that he’s posting about me. I’ll give you one thing – he won’t come and face me himself as you do. Too bad you chose such a bullshit reason to do it.

    ” If you don’t want someone to respond to you, stop responding to them. ”

    Here’s a better clue. Since this is my blog, I am entitled and expected to respond to comments. Unless someone is holding a gun to your head, you don’t have to navigate to this site and write comments. You are the one who is trolling me, not the other way around, Gekko. Besides, what happens if I stop responding? Is that when you declare victory, because you made the big bad troll back down? Heh.

    ” I don’t go looking for kerfuffle.”

    Really? Then it’s odd that you came here to start one. You had to come here because I had chosen not to pursue it at yours. Then you had to come to a post about Mark, since I had not written one about you at all. If I had posted some shit about you, you’d have a point, but I didn’t. I think the idea that you don’t go looking for kerfuffles is an outright lie, judging from the obvious facts before us.

    And if you can’t see the difference between my actions and Mark’s, it’s only because you don’t want to. That in no way makes me the hypocrite you seem to want desperately to prove I am.

    “Does this really meant that much to you? ”

    Like I said, no one is holding a gun to your temple and forcing you to come here and write this. You aren’t being compelled by threat to scroll past 5 or so other posts to get to this old one. Who is this important to, then? You belie yourself.

    I have to admit that you surprise me, Gekko. I had no idea that you were so dishonest with yourself. Ah well.

  22. Wow! You two masters of disaster are less than 24 hrs. away from a week-long k-fuf’l. Man, I wish I had Easter Tuesday off. Happy High Holy Days!

    😉 (

  23. Where did THAT come from, Gekko?

    From your obsessive need to make this discussion about Mark, dur.

    The truth is, Gekk, that you came here and started this in a post about Mark, and you began by quoting a passage about Mark,

    See, that’s where you go off into fantasy land, doll.

    I came and read a post you wrote about Mark, true. I also read your comment about behavior you yourself had just exhibited. I snipped out ALL reference to your Mighty Obsession, and responded to only that one comment about behavior. I didn’t say diddly about Mark. You saw Mark in it. But it was never about Mark, from my perspective. It was only about you.

    and have compared my behavior to his in every reply.
    Cite.

    How can you say that I’M the one bringing Mark into this?

    Um. The post was about Mark. You just sed so. And you’ve brought Mark into all of your responses to me, starting with your first: “Are you suggesting that these two events somehow mirror each other? I’d have to argue that, simply by virtue of the frequecy and severity of the Eternal Nemesis’ reactions compared to mine.” Any time I’ve mentioned Mark it’s been to deny your lie, or finally to comment on your obsession.

    “If you don’t want someone to respond to you, stop responding to them. ”

    Here’s a better clue. Since this is my blog, I am entitled and expected to respond to comments.

    Yah, but when you go begging a person to just please please let you drop it that they’re forcing you to respond to them, blah blah you look rilly stoopid. I thought I’d help you understand a way you could avoid getting someone to respond to you, other than begging and pleading that is.

    Besides, what happens if I stop responding? Is that when you declare victory, because you made the big bad troll back down? Heh.

    Is it that important to you?

    “I don’t go looking for kerfuffle.”

    Really?

    Really.

    You had to come here because I had chosen not to pursue it at yours.

    Heh. No, I come here regularly to see if you have anything good posted. You just handed me that lovely opportunity to giggle by deriding the very thing you yourself had done.

    Then you had to come to a post about Mark, since I had not written one about you at all. If I had posted some shit about you, you’d have a point, but I didn’t. I think the idea that you don’t go looking for kerfuffles is an outright lie, judging from the obvious facts before us.

    Wait, wait. Let me guess. You have a magic act at a circus IRL, right? And you bill yourself as Joe The Amazing and you pretend to read minds, right?

    Or is it that you have a huge stash of some really bad stuff that is totally fucking with your mind?

    And if you can’t see the difference between my actions and Mark’s, it’s only because you don’t want to. That in no way makes me the hypocrite you seem to want desperately to prove
    I am.

    <kof>

    Here, once again, is the statement that I quoted:

    misinterpreted the entire thing because he once again couldn’t just ASK what people mean in their comments

    That’s it. And lo, over on my blog you misinterpreted the entire comment I’d made because once again you couldn’t just ASK what I meant in my comment. As well, throughout this entire thread, you “misinterpreted the entire thing”. Again, you couldn’t just ASK what I meant, but have to make up these stories about what I mean.

    “Does this really meant that much to you?”

    Like I said, no one is holding a gun to your temple and forcing you to come here and write this. You aren’t being compelled by threat to scroll past 5 or so other posts to get to this old one. Who is this important to, then? You belie yourself.

    Tsk. You quite took that out of its context and turned it into something else, now, didn’t you? Do you consider that an honest action, on your part?

    That comment was in response to you wanting to call in your troops to support your contention that you’re really not terribly upset by this. I have no idea where you came up with the gun-to-temple nonsense. Because I come to check up on what further entertainment you have for me?

    I have to admit that you surprise me, Gekko. I had no idea that you were so dishonest with yourself. Ah well.

    Ooh, Pastor Holierthanfuckall, please forgive me for I am just a sinnah! 😉

    Joe. Babe. Honey. Pookiebutt. Like I told you, I don’t go actively looking for fights, but when people bring ’em on, I am fine with that. I am here for entertainment. I get entertainment from good discussion, and I get entertainment from thin-skinned overreactionary chewtoys like you who just can’t seem to resist indulging themselves in blogdrama. It’s all material.

  24. Turning to the next page now? Boy, having the last word sure means a lot to you.

    You do realize that I’m not reading this crap anymore, right? But feel free to continue ranting, as long as you’re having fun.

  25. You do realize that I’m not reading this crap anymore, right?
    As of that comment, I’d believe it. Prior to that? Baby, the emotion in your response said “I’m reading every other word and making up stuff to go with it.”

    That appears to be your style when it comes to things you can’t handle.

    Since you seem to have a pathological need to respond to every comment — you may have the last word. I’m content in my sure knowledge that you are a thin-skinned overreactor. Which is a great deal better, I suppose, than being a thin-skinned nuclear reactor.

  26. Whatever you imagine….. I mean SAY, Gekko. Please do let me know if your grip on reality, however tenuous it may be, returns.

  27. WTF???


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